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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 26, 2010 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Just a thought; when putting a show to cd , how do you organize it ? Do you stick with the show order , and (assuming you need 3 cds,) do the old break between drums and space ? Or do you do what I often do , and stick as much of the "jam" of the 2nd set , on to a cd, with , hopefully , the Jerry ballad, being the last song, and the end of the set stuck as filler at the end of the 1st set cd , or on its' own ,with maybe some filler from another show ( or the end of another show in , say, the same run, that would put 2 shows on 5 cds, rather than 6 ).
I also make "single cd "highlights" discs from more lackluster shows, and sometimes a "pruned" show, with a few songs cut , to fit it on 2 cds .
So, for me I vacillate vassalage, between, a "purest" approach, and an edited one .
So folks, what is your philosophy ? And are we talking cds, or hard-drives , dvds ?
I am sure someone out there puts together comps , of say, all the "Yellow Dog Story" s on one cd ....

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Poster: hippie64 Date: May 26, 2010 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

My burned Mp3 disc's have date/city/setlist marked on the disc with a sharpie and are kept in binders, some are in paper sleeves. I have a travel binder that holds maybe 50 disc's, and the disc's in that particular one gets rotated heavily.
All my FLAC shows get the proper treatment with a case and cover, usually intact, sometimes I leave out tunings, most of the time I dont. I do also occasionally leave off DRMS and SPC, but thats on later shows. Earlier shows with only drums I dont omit. I won't leave anyone's song off my GD Cd's I figure that's what the track button is for,
I do love to make mix Cd's, I love to throw a disc or two together when a road trip is on the to-do list.
Jerry mixes, Bobby mixes, Jerry Dead/Jerry Band. Bobby Dead/RatDog, most always my mixes are era specific, the same with non-Dead.
I've thought about making a Donna mix cd of some of her prime screeching and wailing for our annual Halloween haunted house, suggestions anyone?

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 26, 2010 10:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

That "Worst of Donna Jean" cd would certainly be dangerous !
I should say that I have on occasion, redone shows , to get the whole thing ,
especially if I get a much better sounding source .

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Poster: Tidewater four ten O nine Date: May 26, 2010 5:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

am currently 11/12ths the way through (up to November!!!) compiling all the "Sugar Magnolia"s from 1971 - 5CDs so far.

And no, am not getting bored whatsoever.

1971 "Sugar Magnolia"s - that'd be the best ones (no argument).

Have also done this for "Friend of the Devil"s for 1977 and 1978 - my so called 'Devil Stars'.

Did someone say "Get a life" ?????

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: May 26, 2010 7:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

i always basically stuck with the show order approach even though at times I felt like i may be wasting an occasional disc. i bristled at the thought of changing up the order probably due to an inherent mental neurosis as opposed to any true philosophical belief that the set list order should be sacrosanct.

however, now with a couple of large capacity ipods, i dont bother burning them anymore - just toss them on one of those silly rectangular electronic apparati and i am good to go

:)

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Poster: wineland Date: May 26, 2010 8:07am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Like Dire I am religious about keeping the show intact on CD. I never put the encore at the end of the first set to save a disc. With that said, I haven't burnt a show to cd in about a year. Nowdays I have a 30gb iPod that gets treated to whole shows.

I have a small capacity mp3 that I put running mixes on. These will be one or two sequence of jams from the same show. Maybe the Help>Slip>Frank that opened the show and then the Scarlet>Fire that was the beast of the second set.

This post was modified by wineland on 2010-05-26 15:07:52

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: May 26, 2010 8:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Me three

I stick with show order, sometimes using the 'disc break' recommendation from the notes and sometimes putting the 'disc break' where I want to optimize disc space usage - I almost always tack on random 'Bonus' material at the end of Disc 3 after encore where there is usually lots of extra space.

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: May 26, 2010 7:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

I just started burning my own discs within the last year. Most of my disc-listenin' is done in the car 15 minutes at a time. So I went the Highlights route.

Problem is now I have 20 discs with Minglewood, Althea, Music Never Stopped, Scarlet>Fire, Dew or TOO, and Sugar Mag. Apparently, I am VERY fond of a select few songs and JUST fond of a whole bunch (of course, there are a few that I loathe but I find that my "loathers" and "don't care for-ers" seem to migrate back and forth between the two groups with some few tracks even see the light of the "I'd rather listen than have to get up and press "skip"" group.)

I was thinking I might take this to the extreme and make a disc of just one song: "The Evolution of Dew" or some such nonsense. If only life would leave me alone long enough so I could get some of the really important things accomplished...

TOOTMO

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Poster: jerrys beard Date: May 26, 2010 12:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Probably a little off topic, but the iPod has really changed the way I listen. I got a 120 GB and just fill it with a variety of shows as I never know what mood will strike. Even thinking about upgrading to a 160 to get even more shows. My car has a mini-RCA jack (would love USB) that provides great sound w/out the hassle of changing channels on FM receivers.

Then I don't have to worry about what order. Prior to the iPod discovery, I was a purist. Put the show on begining to end, wasted CD space, but as someone else noted, they are pretty cheap nowadays. Probably neurotic rather than anything else, but there is something in me that enjoys the flow of a show.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 26, 2010 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

altho i don't burn many GD CDs, if and when i do, the method is quite simple: (1) i strip out all songs that have Keith or Donna or Brent or Vince as the main vocalist; (2) then, i strip out anywhere from 70% to 100% of the Bobby songs; and (3) i kill off drums/space and burn what's left; admittedly, since 95% of the GD CDs that i actually might burn are between the years '66-'72, or '79-'82, Vince is not really an issue, and Brent only sporadically

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 26, 2010 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Ha ha ! Wow , no 73-78 ! To each their own ! But I have to admit , some of your criteria , fit what I might cut from a show ! Since I do listen to all years, I have more opportunities to prune songs out , if need be . I usually read the reviews, especially the Taper's Guide books, then see what I want to do . Something that is considered great by all, I usually just go ahead and get the whole thing . If it is a good to so-so show, I might also get the whole thing, or yank a few songs ( your criteria again), or just make a highlights cd . Sometimes I vary what I take out ; drums>space can look like attractive pulls,but it is sometimes the best part of a show ! But "Easy Answers", "Looks Like Rain", sometimes a weak "Ship of Fools" etc. are good choices for me , and I pounce on Welnick's songs ... poor Vince .

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: May 26, 2010 8:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

show order always, which almost always means disc 1 set 1, disc 2 set 2a, disc 3 set 2b or in the case of older shows four discs. I generally stick with the way it's broken up in the file download.

unlike you ipodders i have to burn to disc to listen because all my listening is done driving or outside in the yard. Maybe someday I should get some real speakers for the pc and run them outside so i wont have to waste a cd, which i dont care cds are cheap but jewel cases arent ( dont like the binders ), plus i end up with some lemons i'll never listen to again.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 26, 2010 12:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Thanks for all the responses . It is interesting the different compromises we make ; so many, for connivence sake accept the limits of non-lossless (mp3), but insist on the show order ; I, being somewhat of an audiophile, insist on the best sound possible ( though I still have yet to figure out the 24 bit burning thing, even though I can play dvd A ), compromise the integrity of a show's order, or contents .
I am not against the ipod , for the car, etc., it's just i don't need it, I don't drive not do I currently have a job where it is needed . Now I may, one day go to some mega hard drive situation, to save space !
This is how I now store my burned cds, saves space, and you can get the sleeves cheap .

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Poster: RBNW....new and improved! Date: May 27, 2010 4:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

occasionally i will leave out drums and put the first two songs on disc one which, more times than not, will allow a show to fit on 2 discs, less drums of course!

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 27, 2010 7:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

I have gone that route too . I will usually download the whole show, drop it into "Toast", and see how long it is , them decide hove to divide it up . If the show is less than 160 min., I try to see if there is a sensible way to put it on 2 disc . It usually depends on what is played in the 2nd set . This usually means I start with the beg. of the set , and see how far I get , as I said, if I can make it trough the usual Jerry ballad , that's good, and I either toss the end,and encore at the end of set 1, if there is room . Or, if the show benefits from the end sequence being intact ( say a "Watchtower>Morning Dew" ) . I try to fit a few of the opening songs on the end of the first set ( 'China>Rider, Scarlet>Fire, or some of the stand alone type song , are good for this) . And then sometimes I do split along the traditional drums>space divide , or just follow what the download recommends .
As for drums>space , if I am going to cut, I cut drums more often, as it is the part of a show that is hurt most from missing the visual element ; and often the transition from "Space" to what ever is next can be really great .
Again, I vary my approach , with each disc, often just my mood ( "I want it all", or "I DON'T need another "Trowing Up...Stones").

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Poster: Edsel Date: May 27, 2010 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

I tend to leave all shows as they are for burning archival copies.
Disks for the vehicle are whatever I can fit onto one disk, and not necessarily all from the same show. These disks usually die of old age, and or abuse. They never leave the vehicle unless someone walks off with them, or they get smashed by bags of groceries.
Friends that ask for specific shows get the whole thing.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 27, 2010 8:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

Yeah, If I burn it for someone else , it's the whole deal . The edits are for my consumption . Your car strategy make s sense also .

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Poster: stuppider Date: May 28, 2010 7:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Taste in burning shows to cd .

I edit out all of the tuning tracks on my hard drive copies of the show. I have a home theater pc running windows media center and sometimes play my entire library on random and it is very annoying to have a tuning or crowd noise track come up. I re-number all of the other tracks accordingly and also standardize the track names and "plays into" notations. I also add a small notation to the track name for the end of the first set which is really only an issue for the earlier years. The later shows it is fairly obvious from the set list but I kept the notation anyway. When I burn to disk I try to keep the second set jam as intact as possible. Sometimes that means a short disc 2 or disc 3 depending on the show but cd's are cheap if you buy them on sale. For me storage of the cd's becomes more of an issue than the cost of the media. Nothing is worse than splitting up a good China -> Rider or Help -> Slip! -> Frank.

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